How Many English Ancestors?

1066 is the time of the Norman Conquest. There were 1.11 million people living in England at that time. People living in England today can find ancestors in 86% of them.

1215 found 2.5 million people living in England. Today's English population can find ancestors from 1300's English population.

Go back 10 generations or 250 years to the year 1760 AD and you should have 1,024 ancestors!
What you have done is that you have 2 parents making 4 grandparents, and the number keeps doubling.

This all proves that people were marrying their cousins because the tree gets smaller the more you go back in history. We are cousins with just about everyone. The reason is that if you go back 30 generations or 750 years to the year 1260 AD, you would have 4,356,616 ancestors and that's more than the population at that time, even if everyone were marrying 2nd cousins. So there has been a lot of inbreeding among families in the past. We knew that Egyptian royalty practiced this, and the Bible shows that our forefathers were marrying cousins then, but I hadn't realized it went on in later history.

I'm lucky to have found a great genealogist living in England who has taken our shared family tree line back to John Henwood born in 1538 in Medstead, Hampshire, England. Most every male on the tree has come from Hampshire. Another line of Henwoods come from Cornwall from the village, Henwood. We went back 13 generations or rather 13 male fathers to get there. I went from Charles, Charles, Henry, Henry, John, John, John, Robert, William, William, William, Guy, and then John. I'm skipping the 3 live Henwoods in the count, which would really make 16 generations.

Resource: family tree magazine March 2011 page 10 Fuzzy Math.

DNA Report on R1b1b2

If you have had your dna tested and are in R1b1b2, here is the latest report. Vincent tells more in depth research for deep clade testing, etc. in his full report on ISOGG.

The basic story of R1b1b2 hasn't changed since our last update: I still estimate this haplogroup to be about 5-6,000 years old, to have an origin somewhere in SW Asia, and to have spread into Europe from there. from Vincent Vizachero, leader in dna group R1b1b2.

There are more Henwoods than I had ever realized. Two places seem to be the origin that I have found in the UK; Cornwall and Hampshire. Both are fairly close to each other. Cornwall is the home of the village, Henwood. DNA testing would certainly help to find relationships, especially when paper evidence is lacking.

Resource: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#R1b

Henwood Family With Cornwall Origins

Cornwall is the part of England where the village of Henwood lies. I have not been able to find any connection to Cornwall, having our ancestors coming from Hampshire, England. Both Cornwall and Hampshire are in Southern England and on the English Channel that leads to the Atlantic Ocean. It's always possible that the origin of Henwood was Cornwall and that people migrated to other parts of England.

I have found a family from Cornwall that immigrated to Ohio.

1Joseph T. Henwood b: 1862 in St. Ives, Cornwall England.
m: Mary E. Mann
2. Charles Arthur Henwood b:
m: Anne Gad
3. Charles Arthur Henwood Jr. b:April 1, 1893 Smethick, Staffordshire, England, d: Sept 3, 1975 Lancaster, Ohio
m. Kathleen Lethbridge
4. Alfred Norman Henwood b: April 21, 1918 d: March 24, 1988
5. Douglas Edward Henwood b: Dec 19, 1949 d: May 14, 2008 Lancaster, Ohio .
Douglas may be the author of a book about Wall Street which is about financial markets.
While searching the author of the book, I found 13 different Doug Henwoods.

Research: ancestry.com , google

529 Henwoods in Hampshire 1837-2006

I just checked out the website in the UK called findmypast at http://www.findmypast.co.uk/birth-indexes-search-start.action?submit=1&offset=200 and found 529 Henwoods in Hampshire County from 1837 to 2006. They are on pages of 50, so I ran off 5 pages. On the 5th page I found Charles Ernest Henwood listed. I already have his information from ancestry.com, but never have I seen a list of Henwoods like this.

If you want to view the given information you must pay 5 credits each.

I hope to discover Charles's brother Frederick on this listing. This gives middle names.

All other counties are there, of course. I just picked Hampshire because that's where the Henwoods seem to have originated from. I know that many others not on our tree come from Cornwall. I'm quite sure I don't have 529 Henwoods on our tree.

With help, I've been able to go back to the year 1538 in Hampshire finding John Henwood of Medstead, Hampshire, England and his wife, Ann.

Cornwall and the Village of Henwood in Cornwall, England

Response from David about the Henwood Village in Cornwall, England that I had heard about.

"Nadene,I've been there. We visited England in 1988 or 89 and went to Callington, where my grandfather was born and visited the small, small village of Henwood. No commercial establishments, just perhaps a dozen houses.Jim HenwoodOf Seattle, Wash. USA".

I've found out that Liskeard is also in Cornwall. Here's a message about it.

Hi All,

My name is Charles Henwood. I live in Tampa, Florida. My gr-gr-grandfather was William a farmer who lived at "Straceys" near Liskeard according to a letter my gr-grandfather wrote to him. His name was Charles Pooley Henwood. He had 3 brothers Richard, William and John and 2 sisters Ann and Lydia Hedges. Charles Pooley was a supervisor of the collection of inland revenue in Wellington where he is buried. All immigrated to the US except William who went to Australia.

I was just wondering if anyone knew of them. I have more info if anyone is interested.

C. Henwood

R1b Information

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#R1b

Go to this page, start with a map and read about the history.

The information says that this M269 line started 9,500 ybp in western Europe and is of Italo Celto Anatolean origins.

Genealogist Valerie Henwood in England

Valerie Henwood sent me this note today: I would like to inform everyone interested that my website tangledwoodresearch in NOT up and running at the moment it is being redesigned and will be offline for a few months.

She's the genealogist of Henwood in England who has collected a lot of people on her tree and on other trees.

Her father is : Robin Douglas henwood, who just had his 93 birthday on 14 feb and he is doing well.  Isn't that a coincidence?  My son's birthday is on February 9th.  

Woodman Group: Haplogroup R1b

I just received the results of listing our Henwood with the Woodman Group in familytreedna. Our most distant relative here is Henry Henwood. I listed our line in the Woodman group in England to compare results with our first 12 alleles. Interesting results. Our Henwoods are a match with Hopwood, and a distance of 3 with Easterwood. It looks like a distance of 2 with Wood listed in this group.

I had wondered if the root surname "Wood" would show any connection and it does seem to be so. Perhaps branches tried to distinguish themselves by adding suffixes to their name.

John William Henwood born 1845

Nicholas Henwood born 1535
John William Henwood b 1845 in Cambridge Lane West Plymouth. he married Jane Perrett on 23rd July 1873 in New Plymouth New Zealand.

This is interesting as it's another Henwood who moved to New Zealand. He could be from the village of Henwood in Cornwall. I've heard of another going to New Zealand from there. Also, our Charles Henwood went to Australia and New Zealand but didn't remain there.

This came to me through another Henwood connection. I don't have him on my tree, but then you never know.

Another contact: My Henwoods come from SE Cornwall - the earliest being a Nicholas Henwood born in 1535 and who married at Menheniot in 1558. Any one who is interested in that branch please contact me.

David Henwood-from our Henwood Family Tree Henwood @ yahoo groups.

Henwood Contacts from Valerie Henwood

I "would like to say hello to all those researching Henwood in Hampshire I have been tracing my family name since 1968 and have, with the aid of original parish records and many visits to Hampshire archives have traced my line back to the early 1500s in the parishes of Medstead, Weild, Bentworth,and Shalden. I also have trees for several of the branchesI have supplied information to Nadine to help her back through her line in Weild and would be happy to help anyone with Henwood queries. I also have a Henwood data base to which I am continually adding information". from fmhenwood.

This is from Valerie Henwood, the genealogist of Henwood. To make contact, you can contact me right now. Her website will be down for a few months.

I hope this reaches others and we can find out more information about our Henwood branch in Hampshire, England.

Three New Ydna Matches

There are three new Ydna matches to our Henwood but they all have a distance of 1. They are not a 12 out of 12 allele match. I'm going to have to increase our test one of these days.
They do not have the surname of Henwood, which often hapens. They were all through ftdna from the Hampshire, England group. Our Henwood family is from Hampshire, England.

This makes 4 matches in all so far. The other person, posted on a previous blog, was from the Woodman group on ftdna.

Comparing 18th Egyptian Dynasty with Henwood DNA

I heard that King Tut was of the R1b1b2 haplogroup, and Henwood is almost a perfect Atlantic model of that haplogroup in a test of 12 alleles. I just saw an email with some information. King Tut was a member of the 18th Egyptian Dynasty of 1550-1292 BCE. That's a long time ago, over 3,000 years ago.



DYS 393 390 19 391 385a 385b 439 389-1 392 389-2


R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 13 13 29 our alleles



This looks like a difference of 4 already with only 10 alleles, but there sure are a lot of similarities considering this is comparing dna with someone very far back in time.

5/27/2010:
Others are questioning the validity of the results given to us. It was more likely that the Egyptian dynasty would have tested as R1a, J1 or J2 and not R1b1b2 which stems from Iberia. The others have been found in the delta region in Egypt.
5/29/2010
R1b1b2 has been in Egypt as long or possibly longer than it has been in Iberia.

Hampshire Population

From Katherine Hope Borges I have learned by studying her new chart that Hampshire County, where our Henwoods seemed to be from, in the southeast, was populated by the ancient Britons with the tribes of Belgae in the South and Atrebates in the North. This goes back to 43 BCE.

Then the Romans were in Hampshire from 43 ACE to 410 ACE. They were replaced by the Saxons.

The Normans took over the area in 410 ACE to 878ACE. England was conquered by them in 1066. Ireland was conquered by 1169, and finally Wales was taken over by 1282. Wikipedia tells us that the Normans were the people who gave their name to Normandy, a region in northern France. They were descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock.

http://www.isogg.org/britishcodnasources.htm

R1b Haplogroup's Age

The marker defining haplogroup R1b is M343. They appeared about 30,000 years ago and a descendant of this clan made his way into Europe. They were direct descendants of the Cro-Magnons, who created the famous cave paintings found in southern France. They had also made jewelry from shells, bones, ivory and had musical instruments and even stone carvings. The paintings showed animals and their life events like spring, molting, hunting and pregnancy.

Now in our family, I find that both Henwood and Robinson are in the haplogroup of M269 or R1b1b2, and even they are a little different with the Dys#393 being a 12 in Robinson and a 13 in Henwood showing they they originated in different places at different times. Both were found to be in some part of Great Britain with Henwood centered in Hampshire, England. Robinson's oral history is supposedly in Wales.

Research: Deep Ancestry inside the Genographic Project by Spencer Wells

R1b is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe with especially high incidence in Spain, Portugal, Western France and Ireland. The modal, (or most commonly occurring haplotype), for this R1b of Western Europe is called the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, (AMH), Ysearch ID, C7BED. For more information on AMH see the Links page.
The first 25 markers of AMH in Ysearch format are:-
AMH - DYS Marker Values
393
390
19
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389_1
392
389_2
458
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a
464b
464c
464d
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
29
15
15
17
17

Because of the large number of males that fall within this haplogroup, efforts have been made to find clusters that show differences in the Short Tandem Repeat,(STR), of their alleles from the AMH by looking for similar variations in the haplotypes. Henwood is only one allele different from the first 12 alleles on the Atlantic model.

Reference: http://www.irishtype3dna.org/

The Henwood and the Robinson line in our family are both in dna language listed as R1b1b2 haplogroups. In finding information about the dna of Henwood, the paragraph below is important. I didn't know it could be called ht15. The R1b1b2 of my mother's father (Robinson) is different by being much older than this line and coming from the East. I find this out by the number on DYS on the Robinson line being 12. The Henwood's DYS 393 is 13.

The main European groups consisting of R1b1b2 (ht15) which the Henwood line is included are probably less than 6 thousand years old although some still argue for a pre Ice Age existence.

Henwood and King Tut: R1b1b2 Haplogroup

Our Henwoods are of R1b1b2 haplogroup. The following is from a fellow ISOGG member concerning the findings about King Tut also being of this haplogroup.Y haplogroup R1b1b2 present today in North Africa and the Near East. It is quite likely that it existed in both places for thousands of years prior to the Crusades. Haplogroup R1b1b2 appears to have originated in SW Asia approximately 5,000 to 10,000 years ago, and spread into Europe only afterwards - possibly during the Neolithic transition. R1b1b2 could have reached Egypt at the same time, more or less. It is possible that there was R1b1b2 in Egypt before there were R1b1b2's in England.

Reference: ISOGG member

Descendants of Henry Henwood

Here are a few of our ancestors. If you see any of yours, you might want to find out more and contact me. The Henwood ancestors of one of these people now live in the USA. It would be interesting to know where others are now living.

1 Henry Henwood b: February 1827 in Hantz, Basingstoke, Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, England d: December 1914 in Hartley Wintney, /Basingstoke, Hampshire, England
. +Sarah Cooper b: 1827 in Hantz, Basingstoke,Hartley Wintney England d: March 1901 in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England
... 2 Sarah Ann Henwood b: April 27, 1848
... 2 Henry Walter Henwood b: March 1852 in Basingstoke, Berkshire, Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, England d: 1902 in Wandsworth, Greater London, London, Surry, England
....... +Ellen M. Unknown b: 1853 in Fitchfield, Hampshire, England d: June 1914 in St. Pancras Greater London, England
... 2 Charles Henwood b: February 13, 1854 in Farnham, Surrey, England d: Bet. 1910 - 1913 in England
....... +Mary Ann Munday b: 1861 in Hank Brown Candowood, Winchfield, England d: December 1906 in Hambledon, Surrey Sussex, England age 46
... 2 Ellen Frances Henwood b: 1859 in Morli Lowsen, London, Middlesex, England
... 2 George Henwood b: 1860 in Hartley Wintney.
....... +Sophia Gillam b: 1867 in Froyle, Southhampton, Hants, England
... 2 Richard Henwood b: March 1861 in Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, Hartley Row, Winchfield, England
....... +Minnie Sharp b: Bet. 1860 - 1862 in Buckinghamshire, Iver Heath, England d: March 1903 in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England
... 2 Fanny Frances Henwood b: 1863 in Winchfield, Hants/Harley Wintney, Hartley Row, England
... 2 Mary Ann J. Henwood b: 1865 in Hartley Row, Hank, Winchfield, Hampshire, England
... 2 Rhoda Henwood b: 1867 in Hampshire, Harley Wintney, England

Our R1b1b2 Haplogroup (M-269) Atlantic Model

This haplogroup is one allele away from being the Atlantic Model. It's beginnings go back 4,000 to 8,000 years ago in SW Asia and it spread into Western Europe. The Atlantic Modal Haplotype, or AMH, is the most common STR haplotype in haplogroup R1b1b2a1a. Since I have just gone for a test of 12 alleles I don't know what else our group would be called.

The Henwood line I have found goes back to the 1500's in Hampshire, England. That's Western Europe. I don't know when they entered there from SW Asia, but 4,000 years ago would be about 2,000 BCE. At that they've been in England forever, it seems. It would be interesting to check out the history of England at that point in time knowing this. Were others in England?

This information came from ISOGG's latest 2010 Y-DNA Haplogroup R information.

The FTDNA Woodman DNA Project

I joined the Woodman DNA Project at familytreedna. If you have a surname with Wood in it, you can join. I just saw some new results and there was one person who matched perfectly with all 12 alleles, and his name was G.S. Hopwood. I'll have to follow up and try to contact that person.

Life in England 1620

The majority of people living in England in the 1620's were very poor. The monarch, Queen Elizabeth I and James I, wanted to maintain the Church of England as the only permissible religion. Anyone suspected of religious deviance was imprisoned, threatened, fined, sometimes tortured and even hanged. Therefore, the ones who came over sought to escape religious persecution and wanted to worship in the manner they believed to be the "proper Christian way." Children were put to work by the time they were age 6 or 7. They were expected to do as they're told. Complete and unquestioning obedience was the rule. Sunday was a day of rest and religion. Church services began at 8 in the morning and lasted until noon. Services resumed around 2 p.m. and continued until 5 p.m. or 6p.m.