Atlanitc Model Haplogroup and Henwood Line

This is from Wikipedia.

You will see that only our DYS 390 differs in that we are a 23 instead of a 24.

In human genetics, the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b. It was discovered prior to many of the SNPs now used to identify subclades of R1b and references to it can be found in some of the older literature. It corresponds most closely with subclade R1b1b2a1a [L11].
The AMH is the most frequently occurring haplotype amongst human males in Atlantic Europe. It is characterised by the following marker alleles:
DYS388 12
DYS390 24
DYS391 11
DYS392 13
DYS393 13
DYS394 14 (also known as DYS19)
A common haplotype within R1b is sometimes called the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, or haplotype 15. It reaches the highest frequencies in the Iberian Peninsula and in Great Britain and Ireland. In the Iberian Peninsula it reaches 70% in Portugal as a whole, more than 90% in NW Portugal and nearly 90% in Galicia (NW Spain), while the highest value is to be found among Spanish Basques. It was discovered prior to many of the SNPs now used to identify subclades of R1b and references to it can be found in some of the older literature. It corresponds most closely with subclade R1b1b2a1a [L11].
One mutation in either direction, would be AMH 1.15+. The AMH 1.15 set of haplotypes is also referred to as the Atlantic Modal Cluster or AMC. Often 1.15+ would be in the R1b1 subclade.

English/American Financial Transactions for Genealogy

I need to pay for the birth certificate of Henry Henwood b: 1827, so went to my bank to find out how to pay my Henwood friend in England for getting it for me.
I found out my bank doesn't do pay/pal. They wire money for a huge fee. It would cost me $50 to wire money to England, and then it would cost the person in England a big amount to receive it; the bank said about $20.
They said to just send a check and they can cash it at their bank. It's nice to know that another country can take a check.
The next thing is to compare the value of the English pound with the dollar, and that was sad. The pound /1 GBP (Great Britain Pound) =1.6725 USD (United States Dollars)
or
1USD=0.5979 GBP. One pound is almost double the value of the dollar.
11/10/09 Sent in check for birth certificate.

Information On Henry Henwood b: 1827

Henry was a carpenter. He was born in February 1827 in Hantz, Basingstoke, Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, England to Henry Henwood and Sarah Goodchild. He married Sarah Cooper in 1848.

I found him on the censuses of 1841, 51, 61, 71, 81, 91 and 1901. by 1901 he was a widower living in the Basingstoke Union Workhouse with many other people of all ages. Below are my notes from my genealogy tree.

Civil parish: Hartley Wintney Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Hartley Wintney County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Hartley Wintney 9/6/09

He was 87 or 88 when he died. On one report it said he died in Hartley Wintney, Berkshire, Hampshire, England. On the 1851 census of Kings Sombourn, Hampshire, I did find a Henry Henwood age 25 b: Hackbridge, Hampshire, listed as lodger. He was a pupil teacher at Keymaster School. The next person under him on the list was his nephew/scholar, James Brine age 7 b: 1844 in Blandford, Dorset, England. On the same page in the home next to him lived William Henwood b: 1818 and wife Caroline b: 1822 with children elizabeth b: 1843 age 8, Sarah b: 1844 age 7, Mary b: 1846 age 5, Ellen b: 1849 age 2 and Eliza b; 1850 age 1. I don't know if this is the right Henwood. The birth city is wrong. 9/7/09 familysearch LDS has parents wrong of Henry and Sarah. Christening correct date. Unless history repeats; his wife was Sarah.
I found a Henry Henwood b: 1806 age 55 on the 1861 census in Hampshire County. He was a servant working as a footman. I wonder if he could be the father of this Henry. He'd be the right age. He was born in Hampshire, too.

Basingstoke is a town in northeast Hampshire, England. It lies across a valley at the source of the River Loddon. It is 48 miles (77 km) southwest of London, 30 miles (48 km) northeast of Southampton, 16 miles (26 km) southwest of Reading, and 20 miles (32 km) northeast of the county town, Winchester. In 2006 it had an estimated population of 80,477. It is part of the borough of Basingstoke and Deane and part of the parliamentary constituency of Basingstoke. Basingstoke is often nicknamed "Doughnut City" due to the number of roundabouts.

Often mistaken for a new town, Basingstoke is an old market town expanded in the 1960s as part of a tripartite agreement between London County Council, Hampshire County Council and Basingstoke Borough Council. It was developed rapidly, along with Andover and Tadley, to accommodate part of the London 'overspill' as perceived under the Greater London Plan, 1944.[2]
Basingstoke market was mentioned in the Domesday Book and Basingstoke remained a small market town until the 1950s. It still has a regular market, but is now bigger than Hampshire County Council's definition of a market town

9/9/09 Not sure 1851 census is our Henry. He's 25 and living with Robert Russell and wife Sarah and next door is William (Harewood) Henwood b: 1818 age 31 b: Kingsbourne, Hampshire with wife Caroline 29 b: 1822 in Tytherley, Hampshire, children Elizabeth 8 b: 1843, Sarah 7 b: 1844, Mary 5 b: 1846 Kingsbourn, Ellen 2 b: 1849 Kingsbourn, and Eliza 1 b: 1850 Kingsornbourn. This Henry is a teacher, and unless he was teaching carpentry, is not the right person.

I'm now awaiting the birth certificate to arrive from England sent by Valerie. It is a match with her Henwood family. Henry was the kingpin.

One More DNA Match-Barely

I just checked again and found someone who has had the 67 allele test, but is a fair match. This is not a Henwood but a Wyatt. It would take a 66.71% possibility to go 24 generations to find a common ancestor for both. This is not very high. The other match was not listed, this time. I was surprised. He has the distance of 1 and is on the Hampshire, England Project along with our Henwood dna test of 12 alleles.

After checking out matches with the entire familytreedna, I found that we had a match with 996 others through the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype. I decided it's better to follow the Hampshire, England group as that's where our ancestors came from, so decided to just keep that one and the other group.

We are actually related to everyone if we go back far enough, and need higher allele testing to start finding a real match. If I found another Henwood who was a match at 12 alleles, then both of us should go higher to find out how far apart we are on our tree.

Soon to Arrive: Birth Certificate of Henry Henwood b: 1827 England

I just heard from http://www.tangledwoodresearch.co.uk's Valerie that the long awaited birth certificate had arrived to her home and she will pass the original onto me.
She is sending me the tree that connects our Henwood ancestors with hers and takes us back to the early 1500's!

Bless England's fantastic ability to keep birth certificates and records that stretch so far back! Valerie is one of the people who have worked with them, and therefore knew just how to procure them and probably why she has such a great genealogy record.

Henwoods, this is great news.

What Are Haplogroups? R1b in Europe

Haplogroups=R1b in Men (Common in Europe)

There are 19 major haplogroups found in males. R1b is the most common haplogroup in Europe. It is believed to have expanded into and recolonized Europe 10,000 to 12,000 years ago after the last glacial maximum or ice age.There is the Out of Africa theory that says that all modern humans evolved in Africa and then emigrated in several waves over the last 100,000 years. They replaced earlier homo species.

Scientists use the capitol letters of the alphabet to name the haplogroups.A and B are in Africa today and are the oldest haplogroups. B is in all parts of Africa but more common in the pygmy tribe.CR is a superhaplogroup (includes D-R and their common ancestor is named with a M168 mutation that was carried in 3 migrations into other parts of the world by some people while others stayed behind. C is found in Asia, the South Pacific, and in some Native American people.

In Haplogroups D and E, found in Africa and SE Asia, we have some mutations.In Haplogroups F-Q we see some mutations like M89, M213, and P14 in all areas of the world.R1b was formed from a group that emigrated from Africa 50,000 years ago, eventually settling in Europe in the last 30,000 years.

In my family I have two males that both belong to R1b1b2, but they are of different lines. Both trace their families back to the British Isles, and one for sure from England proper, basically in Hampshire County.

Reference: DNA & Genealogy by Colleen Fitzpatrick & Andrew Yeiser
# posted by Nadene Goldfoot @ 9:33 PM 0 comments

How Many Ancestors in England? Year 1086 in England=2 million

It is a sobering thought that if we go back just 10 generations, each of us will have 1,204 ancestors. That's going back about 250 years, or to the year 1759.

If we could trace our pedigrees back 20 generations we would all have 1,048,575 ancestors:http://www.familyforest.com/resources.htmlIn practice however we do not all have 1,048,575 unique ancestors and many of our lines will be inter-related through close cousin marriages.

Ultimately we are all related to each other probably many times over. This concept has been called "pedigree collapse" or the "ancestor paradox"

:http://www.bpears.org.uk/Misc/AncestorParadox/http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy/pedigree.htmhttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fettesi/unique.htmI don't know if figures are available for other countries but it is possible to come up with rough estimates for the population of England from the eleventh century onwards.

At the time of the Domesday Book in 1086 the population of England was estimated to be around one and a half to two million people:http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/life.htmlIn 1348 the Black Death arrived in England and is believed to have killed over 50% of the population:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_in_EnglandThis page has figures for the population of Great Britain and Ireland from 1570 to 1931:http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/pop.html

The mathematics is beyond me but presumably it would be possible to do some sort of estimate as to how many ancestors we can all be expected to have in common. What effect do these complicated inter-relationships have on the inheritance of autosomal DNA?

Reference: from Debbie Kennett