Comparing 18th Egyptian Dynasty with Henwood DNA

I heard that King Tut was of the R1b1b2 haplogroup, and Henwood is almost a perfect Atlantic model of that haplogroup in a test of 12 alleles. I just saw an email with some information. King Tut was a member of the 18th Egyptian Dynasty of 1550-1292 BCE. That's a long time ago, over 3,000 years ago.



DYS 393 390 19 391 385a 385b 439 389-1 392 389-2


R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 13 13 29 our alleles



This looks like a difference of 4 already with only 10 alleles, but there sure are a lot of similarities considering this is comparing dna with someone very far back in time.

5/27/2010:
Others are questioning the validity of the results given to us. It was more likely that the Egyptian dynasty would have tested as R1a, J1 or J2 and not R1b1b2 which stems from Iberia. The others have been found in the delta region in Egypt.
5/29/2010
R1b1b2 has been in Egypt as long or possibly longer than it has been in Iberia.

Hampshire Population

From Katherine Hope Borges I have learned by studying her new chart that Hampshire County, where our Henwoods seemed to be from, in the southeast, was populated by the ancient Britons with the tribes of Belgae in the South and Atrebates in the North. This goes back to 43 BCE.

Then the Romans were in Hampshire from 43 ACE to 410 ACE. They were replaced by the Saxons.

The Normans took over the area in 410 ACE to 878ACE. England was conquered by them in 1066. Ireland was conquered by 1169, and finally Wales was taken over by 1282. Wikipedia tells us that the Normans were the people who gave their name to Normandy, a region in northern France. They were descended from Viking conquerors of the territory and the native population of mostly Frankish and Gallo-Roman stock.

http://www.isogg.org/britishcodnasources.htm

R1b Haplogroup's Age

The marker defining haplogroup R1b is M343. They appeared about 30,000 years ago and a descendant of this clan made his way into Europe. They were direct descendants of the Cro-Magnons, who created the famous cave paintings found in southern France. They had also made jewelry from shells, bones, ivory and had musical instruments and even stone carvings. The paintings showed animals and their life events like spring, molting, hunting and pregnancy.

Now in our family, I find that both Henwood and Robinson are in the haplogroup of M269 or R1b1b2, and even they are a little different with the Dys#393 being a 12 in Robinson and a 13 in Henwood showing they they originated in different places at different times. Both were found to be in some part of Great Britain with Henwood centered in Hampshire, England. Robinson's oral history is supposedly in Wales.

Research: Deep Ancestry inside the Genographic Project by Spencer Wells

R1b is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe with especially high incidence in Spain, Portugal, Western France and Ireland. The modal, (or most commonly occurring haplotype), for this R1b of Western Europe is called the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, (AMH), Ysearch ID, C7BED. For more information on AMH see the Links page.
The first 25 markers of AMH in Ysearch format are:-
AMH - DYS Marker Values
393
390
19
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389_1
392
389_2
458
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a
464b
464c
464d
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
29
15
15
17
17

Because of the large number of males that fall within this haplogroup, efforts have been made to find clusters that show differences in the Short Tandem Repeat,(STR), of their alleles from the AMH by looking for similar variations in the haplotypes. Henwood is only one allele different from the first 12 alleles on the Atlantic model.

Reference: http://www.irishtype3dna.org/

The Henwood and the Robinson line in our family are both in dna language listed as R1b1b2 haplogroups. In finding information about the dna of Henwood, the paragraph below is important. I didn't know it could be called ht15. The R1b1b2 of my mother's father (Robinson) is different by being much older than this line and coming from the East. I find this out by the number on DYS on the Robinson line being 12. The Henwood's DYS 393 is 13.

The main European groups consisting of R1b1b2 (ht15) which the Henwood line is included are probably less than 6 thousand years old although some still argue for a pre Ice Age existence.

Henwood and King Tut: R1b1b2 Haplogroup

Our Henwoods are of R1b1b2 haplogroup. The following is from a fellow ISOGG member concerning the findings about King Tut also being of this haplogroup.Y haplogroup R1b1b2 present today in North Africa and the Near East. It is quite likely that it existed in both places for thousands of years prior to the Crusades. Haplogroup R1b1b2 appears to have originated in SW Asia approximately 5,000 to 10,000 years ago, and spread into Europe only afterwards - possibly during the Neolithic transition. R1b1b2 could have reached Egypt at the same time, more or less. It is possible that there was R1b1b2 in Egypt before there were R1b1b2's in England.

Reference: ISOGG member

Descendants of Henry Henwood

Here are a few of our ancestors. If you see any of yours, you might want to find out more and contact me. The Henwood ancestors of one of these people now live in the USA. It would be interesting to know where others are now living.

1 Henry Henwood b: February 1827 in Hantz, Basingstoke, Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, England d: December 1914 in Hartley Wintney, /Basingstoke, Hampshire, England
. +Sarah Cooper b: 1827 in Hantz, Basingstoke,Hartley Wintney England d: March 1901 in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England
... 2 Sarah Ann Henwood b: April 27, 1848
... 2 Henry Walter Henwood b: March 1852 in Basingstoke, Berkshire, Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, England d: 1902 in Wandsworth, Greater London, London, Surry, England
....... +Ellen M. Unknown b: 1853 in Fitchfield, Hampshire, England d: June 1914 in St. Pancras Greater London, England
... 2 Charles Henwood b: February 13, 1854 in Farnham, Surrey, England d: Bet. 1910 - 1913 in England
....... +Mary Ann Munday b: 1861 in Hank Brown Candowood, Winchfield, England d: December 1906 in Hambledon, Surrey Sussex, England age 46
... 2 Ellen Frances Henwood b: 1859 in Morli Lowsen, London, Middlesex, England
... 2 George Henwood b: 1860 in Hartley Wintney.
....... +Sophia Gillam b: 1867 in Froyle, Southhampton, Hants, England
... 2 Richard Henwood b: March 1861 in Hampshire, Hartley Wintney, Hartley Row, Winchfield, England
....... +Minnie Sharp b: Bet. 1860 - 1862 in Buckinghamshire, Iver Heath, England d: March 1903 in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England
... 2 Fanny Frances Henwood b: 1863 in Winchfield, Hants/Harley Wintney, Hartley Row, England
... 2 Mary Ann J. Henwood b: 1865 in Hartley Row, Hank, Winchfield, Hampshire, England
... 2 Rhoda Henwood b: 1867 in Hampshire, Harley Wintney, England